Yeah, I'm glad this place still exists. Nothing replaces forums, especially for those of us who can't take the time to keep up with Discord servers (or don't enjoy Discord. I've said it before but I find bigger Discord servers extremely unpleasant since often a small but extremely loud group tend to drown everyone else out and make it difficult to have productive conversations). This is one of the few active forums left that is actually good still as many of the others I've run into have little to no moderation or are too full of people trying to be edgy to the point that it makes the forum frustrating to use.
At least I've been hearing lots of rumblings of people getting fed up with the modern internet to the point that maybe in the near future we might start seeing forums and blogs for niche topics popping up again (check out the recent Tech Pod episode on the indie web where Brad and Will talk to Whiskey Media alum Wes Fenlon about the return of RSS feeds and the new movement to bring back old-style, pre-social media/web 2.0 internet for more info). I hope that happens because the internet is far worse off without all of the forums, blogs, and informational sites that made it useful in the first place.
I've been thinking about forums a lot lately, especially in light of what's happening with all this AI stuff along with Google/Bing/etc.'s continual futzing with their search and how it's basically paving over all of the good information with garbage and making everything useful increasingly tough to find. So much vital info about niche topics is entirely stored on forums, and many of those forums are now either gone or are ghost towns. The other week I was looking up an extremely specific piece of information about one of my guitars. In doing so I ran into a thread I apparently made about this guitar on a rather small guitar forum 15 years ago (I remember posting on the forum but I don't remember any of my posts from it so this was a surprise for me to find). That thread had literally everything I wanted to know for my specific question about this guitar since, back when I was considering buying it, I made the thread and asked all of the old heads of the forum a bunch of questions about it since it was a rather uncommon model with some weird quirks. All these folks were extremely knowledgeable of this brand of guitar and gave me detailed answers to every single question along with a primary source of information about the guitar. I checked out the rest of the forum and recognized a few names from back in the day but sadly it appeared that the forum was mostly dead outside of maybe a few posts per week. Most of the other forums I visited back in the day are the same now.
@bigsocrates said:
@manburger: Creating an algorithm designed to fake knowledge by scraping the Internet but not actually understand anything so it is completely credulous and then having that answer real people's real questions is something so brilliant only a techbro could think of it. A perfect system.
Yup. It's infuriating. We're already seeing LLMs fall apart and choke on basic questions because these tech bros are too stupid to realize that so much of the internet requires proper context to be useful. Google paid Reddit massive amounts of money to scrape their posts and then didn't have the brains to think "wait aren't there a huge number of posts on Reddit that might not actually contain information that should be repeated?" so now we have Google's Gemini recommending people glue their cheese to their pizza to prevent slippage, that experts recommend eating three rocks a day as part of a balanced diet, or that a "strawberrum" is a valid fruit name that ends with "um". I used to be a tech optimist who loved technology, but the last 10 years has basically broken me. All of the good people have been chased out of decision making roles in big tech and all that's left are people who are extremely stupid, extremely evil, extremely greedy, or some combination of the three. They're all so concerned with chasing growth and being seen as visionaries that they don't stop to think about the incredibly obvious negative consequences of what they're doing.
I've already had to have the talk with several older family members about this stuff because without media/internet literacy to identify AI content or the understanding of why it needs to be fact checked, this stuff becomes extremely dangerous. This is why I get so angry about this stuff. It doesn't harm those of us knowledgeable enough on these things to know what to be careful of and how to use them in a safe way. It harms everyone else. My dad called me in a panic because he had a virtual appointment coming up and couldn't get his laptop's webcam working. I figured out that he had inadvertently ended up using Microsoft Copilot to troubleshoot his problem instead of normal search (My dad didn't know what Copilot was. When he typed the problem into Edge it sent him to Bing's Copilot section. Yes I'm trying to get him away from using Edge and Bing. It's a challenge). By the time he called me, Copilot was several steps into telling him to do increasingly drastic permanent things to try to get his webcam recognized in Windows, the next of which was doing several registry edits he should have no business doing since they could have messed up his Windows install. I asked him if he had restarted his laptop and he said he hadn't because the instructions didn't say to. A restart fixed the problem. Copilot failed from the start to troubleshoot a basic Windows issue. After "is it turned on/plugged in?", the second question any tech troubleshooting script should ask is "have you restarted the device?". Copilot didn't do this and troubleshooting Windows problems is one of the things Microsoft specifically says Copilot is good for. Great product. I definitely trust it to give people advice relating to physical or mental health. No way that could go wrong (this is obvious sarcasm).
I'm in a programming-related community with a bunch of folks who actually do use ChatGPT and LLMs frequently for programming (one of the few spaces in which LLMs are genuinely useful). Even among them, the type of group in which LLMs are most likely to be viewed in the most positive light, they still have little good to say about what is going on and view big tech's massive push of LLMs on the general public as extremely dangerous and bad. When all of the people who actually use this stuff on a daily basis are questioning what's happening, it's not a good sign.
I really hope this indie web stuff takes off because we need it. Big tech has basically been given the Library of Alexandria and would rather burn it down for short-term profits than keep and maintain it for us to use.
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